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by JuneInMA from Boston, MA

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Ok, now I've heard it all.  First, I am against the death penalty, but that is besides the point here.  Today I read a little tid-bit that I would have missed in the midst of all this politics talk.

Seems the Supreme Court will hearing arguments on whether or not lethal injections are painful and constitute "cruel and unusual punishment".

Ok, first of all, if they are being put to death, my guess (and hope) is they deserve cruel and unusual punishment.  Second.....ARE YOU KIDDING ME??  Is time and money REALLY being wasted on this???  Now were supposed to care about the momentary physical comfort of what I hope are only violent criminals?  Did they care about the physical comforts of their victims??  Give me a break!!

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fenwaydav read my blog view my photos
Jan 8, 2008 | 6:22 AM

Hi June, I see you gave you hubby all the time he is going to get (your avatar). It looks like the kitty's win. I know who rules in your house.
I must say, I'm a little more in favor of the death penalty than you are. That might have something to do with the fact that my brother's murderer only got 5 years probation. I saw the article you are referring to. They say it's cruel that the person receiving a lethal injection may be paralyzed and not unconscious. They want a doctor to be present and it is not always possible. My heart bleeds for the criminal lying on the table who rather than being unconscious is aware of the fact whats coming next. To Bad....

When I say I'm in favor of the death penalty, I mean It has to be with 100% correct evidence. No if ands or buts about it.

JuneInMA read my blog view my photos
Jan 8, 2008 | 8:54 AM

Hi fenwaydav,

You know I couldn't keep my babies away for long! :)

I'm sorry to hear about your brother and to add insult to injury, 5 years probation??!!! Amazing.

That is my only problem with the death penalty. The only way I'd accept it is if there isn't even a small shred of a doubt that the person is guilty. Otherwise, I just can't agree. However, in the event that there is no doubt the right person has been caught, I am not in the least bit concerned with their comfort or safety. Come on, we are concerned they will be paralyzed or unconcious???? Their being put to death!!!! They will be paralyzed and unconscious for good now. Frankly, some people don't even deserve a humane injection.

fenwaydav read my blog view my photos
Jan 8, 2008 | 9:12 AM

June, What happened with my brother was in 1973 and the laws were different than. My brother who was 16 was murdered by a 16 yr. old and he was considered a juvenile. But even still we weren't please with a sentence of probation. What are you going to do? And yes I'm also talking about a crime so heinous and not a shred of evidence someone else did it.

jonsmom read my blog view my photos
Jan 8, 2008 | 10:54 AM

With all the people who are being freed from prison now because of DNA we can't be certain that innocent people have not been put to death. Is the death penalty really a deterrant? We don't know. I believe in life in prison with NO parole. I can't get behind the death penalty until I can be guaranteed that innocent people will not die. And we all know what my single opinion means to politicians. Absolutely nothing. I also think juvenile penalties are a joke. I understand a kid not going to an adult prison but probation for murder? That is just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. But I remember the 70s and things were different. Today, who knows?

fenwaydav read my blog view my photos
Jan 8, 2008 | 11:10 AM

He was convicted of manslaughter. 34 years later I wonder if he had a wonderful life? I hope he made somethng of himself. You bring up a good point jonsmom with the DNA.

JuneInMA read my blog view my photos
Jan 8, 2008 | 11:15 AM

jonsmom,

Today, the same thing persist. They may get sent to Juvenile Detention, but then they get out of there with a clean record. I know it's hard to judge kids when they commit a crime, but my opinion is if the kid believes themselves to be "mature" enough to commit the crime, they should be facing the music. Clean records and probation sentences should be out of the question. It should be a punishment to fit the crime and a lesson they'd remember the rest of their lives. A lot of people would argue "oh, they are children you can't hurt their lives that way", well you know what? I have HEARD WITH MY OWN EARS teenagers saying "so what, if I get caught, they can't do nothing. I'm a minor". This is the mentality.

C_Fox read my blog view my photos
Jan 9, 2008 | 10:42 AM

I'm truly sorry for the loss of your brother, fenwaydav. :(
But, getting back to the original subject of injections, this has to be looked at in an objective manner.
If an injection causes paralyses, yet, leaves the person in a conscious state, that could be considered 'cruel'. In fact, torturous.
It is not the states job, nor should it be allowed, for them to inflict unnecessary pain in carrying out a death penalty. Their death should be swift, otherwise it shows purposeful intent to make the means of death torturous.
Again, it is not the States job to torture, but to carry out the law in a manner that shows no personal involvement or revenge towards the person being put to death. If this injection is knowingly torturous, it needs to be changed in some way, otherwise you could rightfully say the State is committing its own crime. I know it is hard to understand if you are a victim of a crime, but this is how it should be, imho, in order to have the death penalty justified and legal. If we choose not to do this, then we should just throw the guilty to the wolves.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Jan 9, 2008 | 4:59 PM

Why does the suffering of a murderer concern us? Why do we ocnsistently make it easier, make it ber less consequences, to kill another. What the hell are we thinking?

We need to expend more concern for victims rights, and the empowering of potential victims to protect themselves.....

I know I'm gonna get pummelled for this, but I'll say it anyway.

MURDER IN OUR CITIES WILL STOP WHEN MURDERERS DIE IN A HAIL OF GUNFIRE FROM SECOND STORY WINDOWS.

C_Fox read my blog view my photos
Jan 9, 2008 | 5:45 PM

Chip, I'm not informed as to who brought this case to court, but I would bet the Human Rights Activists are involved.

And, I do agree that it seems more attention is paid to the rights of the accused than the rights of the victims. Defense lawyers look for every loop-hole they can find to win their case, whether they know their client is guilty or not. It's all about winning with some lawyers/lawfirms.

Also, your last statement doesn't make much sense when you have to realize shooting murderers makes you no less of a murderer no matter what your reason. Its why we have laws and a judicial system. ;)

JuneInMA read my blog view my photos
Jan 9, 2008 | 6:04 PM

Hi Chip! Happy New Year!!!

I have to agree with you. I don't care how bad the pain is for them. I don't care, if they are guilty beyond ANY doubt of course, if they break in 2 because of the pain. Their comfort is sincerely not my concern at all. As a matter of fact, I kind of like knowing they hurt before dying. The idea of them dying peacefully while their victim probably died in horrible agony is disgusting. Nope, don't care how much pain they go through.

Chip read my blog view my photos
Jan 10, 2008 | 8:28 AM

C-Fox,

It is not murder in the eyes of the law to defend yourself or another with deadly force from an individual who is about to use deadly force illegally against another.

Where I come from, it's called being a good citizen.

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"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary" - Author Unknown. I'm 27 (28 in July 2008). Happily married to Elijah (aka "My Bunny") and have 3 funny and loving cats (Garfield, Peekaboo & new addition, Pocket). I have a great job, although it's not my 'dream' job as a Loan Analyst, but one has to be grateful to have ANY job nowadays. I have a family that I'd die for and a great core of friends that are priceless. I may not have the life people would die for, but there isn't a single thing in it I would trade. Not one. I love to read, nap and hang out in my mother's kitchen. I believe in being decent, kind and helpful whenever possible and do as much as I can to contribute to the welfare of animals. I love animals. "If He leads you to it, He will bring you through it" - Author Unknown.

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